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Net Neutrality, QoS and Over Subscription?

As someone who has spent 15 years, entire career now, as a network engineer for both enterprises and for ISP’s it’s difficult to have a single opinion on some things when it comes to networks.   

I really do see and understand both sides of most arguments around net neutrality. When I take off my network engineer hat and put on my consumer hat I wouldn’t be too happy with a lot of this stuff either.

However, when I sit back and think about things rationally its just not so black and white to me.

I know that often when analyzing network traffic the bulk of that traffic will be due to a few offenders.

This sort of thing reminds me of the days in grade school where you had a few bad students creating havoc and thus affecting the whole class in some way.  It always seemed unfair why the class would get punished for the actions of a few.

People want to do voice, video and data over the network these days but they don’t want the ISP’s to interfere with their traffic.  On private LANs and WANs we do the same thing (voice, video and data) but we also know that in order to do this successfully we have to employ quality of service (QoS).  Without QoS voice quality would be very unpredictable and video would be choppy.

The way QoS works is by looking at all the traffic coming in, orgainizing the traffic by various priorities and then allowing the highest priority traffic to leave first.  What often happens is the lowest priority traffic might get dropped.  This is typically ok because most traffic can tolerate being dropped as the sending device will get notified that some of its data was dropped and it needs to resend it.

Applications like voice and video however do not tolerate dropped traffic very well.  If you drop voice traffic the user will notice this change because they are actively listening.  People don’t notice dropped packets when surfing the internet because the retransmits of this dropped data happens so quickly and at worst it may just mean the website they were going to loads up a little slowly.

So you have these people out there who believe that ISP’s should simply provide a dumb pipe with no QoS or anything since that would interefere with or manipulate their traffic in some way.

The problem with dumb pipes is that ISP’s rely on the principle of ‘over subscription’ in order to make money.  You simply cannot be profitable as an ISP without oversubscribing.

Consider this, here are some of the largest pipes ISP’s can get to the internet.  

OC-48 = 2.5G = 2488Mbit/s  divide by 10Mbit/s = 248 users

OC-192 = 10G = 9953.28Mbit/s  divide by 10Mbit/s = 995 users

The reason I got on this whole topic was because of some things I heard at this weekends CampFiber meeting.  Those living in Lafayette, Louisiana know that the local utilities company (LUS) is building out a fiber to the home solution for the cities residents.  LUS has been in the fiber business for some time providing service to businesses.  According to the info on their website (http://www.lusnet.net/) they have two DS3′s to the internet.  DS3′s are roughly 45Mbit/s, so combined were looking at about 90Mbit/s of capacity to the internet.

Again I have to say I do not know how old this data is and I do not know if these same circuits to the internet will be leveraged by their new home user service.  This would be good info to know though and I would love for anyone who does know to inform me of the truth.

OK, so we have established LUS has 90Mbit/s of internet connectivity.  This is currently being used by their business customers and by the City of Lafayette as well.  And it could potentially be used by their home customers but that is not a fact yet.

LUS Fiber is advertising that their minimum internet package will be 10Mbit/s for home users.   It’s also important to note that based on this document that they estimate their subscriber count will be 28,500.  The document states a pass count of 57,000 potential customers and sub count of 28,500.  For those that don’t know what this means its pretty simple, pass count is who could potentially be a customer because the service passes close enough by them.  Sub count is the actual subscribers.

Lets give LUS the benefit of the doubt here.  Lets make the sub count lower than their expectations, so lets round down to 20,000.  Each customer gets a minimum of 10Mbit/s.  So if every user actually used the full 10Mbit/s we would be looking at 200,000Mbit/s.   And they have 90Mbit/s of internet bandwidth?  Thats a bit oversubscribed.

Now anyone in the business knows thats not going to happen.  You will never see all users fully utilizing their internet connection.  If 90Mbit/s is their total bandwidth and each user gets 10Mbit/s it would only take 9 users out of 20,000 fully utilizing the 10Mbit/s to max it out.  That is very possible however.

Now lets really give LUS the benefit of the doubt there.  Lets say they have an OC-192 connection to the internet.  So, thats roughly 10,000Mbit/s (its actually more like 9,000 but just making the match easy and giving them the benefit of the doubt here remember).   So we take 10,000Mbit/s and divide by 10Mbit/s and we get roughly 1000 users who could be running a full 10Mbit/s.  Thats not too bad there.  Thats like a 20:1 subscription ratio.  BTW, I SUCK AT MATH so please correct the basic math if I am wrong but realize I am generalizing here and not being exact.

So far I have only discussed home subscribers using the LUS internet connectivity despite the fact that businesses use it as well.  If business customers and home customers will share the same internet backbone that LUS has then my guess is that LUS will at a minimum seperate traffic into two priorities, one for business users and one for home users.  And it would make sense to give the business users higher priority then the home users so that home users can’t impact the business users internet connectivity.

If all of what I said is true (highly unlikely) then would this be deemed a non net neutral situation for the home subscribers?

I ask because Chance with LUS stated at CampFiber they had to be careful to not get into a net neutrality situation so they were just giving dumb pipes and thats it.  And if this is true, based on the numbers above which again were very generous it wouldn’t take much for a few subscribers to effect the internet performance of all subscribers without some means of QoS.

Which brings me back to the issue of whether network management by using any sort of QoS create a net neutrality issue?

Lets say you have a 1Mbit/s pipe to the internet.  You have two users who share this pipe but you sold them each 1Mbit/s.  For the sake of argument lets say that User A is doing streaming video that takes up the full 1Mbit/s pipe.  User B starts to do something else but only requires 500Kbit/s from the pipe.  Obviously something has to give here.  If you QoS things so that during peak times no one can get more than 500Kbit/s so that one person does not impact the other well then your not living up to what you sold them.  If you give video a higher priority then you aren’t being very neutral since you will impact what user B is doing effectively saying that user A’s traffic is more important then user B’s traffic.

How can one be “net neutral” in an over subscription business model?  You either can’t over subscribe, or hope that your aggregate traffic never exceeds your biggest pipe.

Looking for enlightenment here, would love to be shown the err in my thinking about this.

 

CampFiber – Takeaways

My last post regarding CampFiber reads awfully negative despite that not being my intent.  I did appreciate the event and I really do look forward to any future events that may come of this.

Kinda sad that it took someone from outside of Lafayette to organize the event, I sincerely appreciate Geoff Daily for doing this.

Here are a few key takeways for me from the event and things I look forward to in the future:

1.  Keith Thibodeaux from Lafayette Consolidated Government (LCG) mentioned an iPhone application that was in the works!  This was something I actually planned to mention as an idea at the meeting so it was nice to here.  Wish there were some details as to what all it would do.  I envisioned an application that would have quick access to news and events in Lafayette, traffic cameras, traffic accidents and so on.  I will elaborate more on my application idea in another post.

2.  Someone discussed the idea of a tech festival of sorts.  Something like South By Southwest (SXSW) combining both technology and the ‘creative class’.  I kinda like the idea in general.  This is Lafayette, Louisiana after all where festivals are in our blood.  I could envision something like TechSouth meets Festival International.  It would be best to do it in conjunction with Festival International in my opinion.

3.  No A-La-Carte.  It was funny to hear Terry Huval say how impractical A-La-Carte service is and no one made a peep.  When the cable co’s and others state this everyone gets in a tizzy, but when LUS states this oh well thats ok we all understand.

4.  Wireless is a part of LUS’s plan / strategy but due to its unpredictable nature they don’t want to push it much.  Understandable.  I am still very intrigued about the possibilities surrounding the 700Mhz spectrum and what Cox will do with it in the Acadiana market.  Mobility is more important to me than any fiber to my home and its this technology that excites me.  There was some recent news regarding successful testing of 10GB wireless in labs!  Long time away from being anything more than just fantasy, but exciting stuff.

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CampFiber – Lafayette, Louisiana

I had the opportunity to attend an event today titled “CampFiber” here in Lafayette, Louisiana.  I am grateful for the event and those who presented, but over all I was a bit underwhelmed and disappointed.  However I must say I don’t think I was really the target audience.

The event was aimed primarily at developers in an effort to brainstorm ideas on how best to leverage the soon to be fiber to the home (FTTH) deployed in the city of Lafayette, Louisiana by the local utility company, LUS Fiber.

Granted I am a network engineer and life long geek so anything to do with technology and networks I am interested in and thus why I attended.

One of the first things discussed was the set top box that LUS has picked to standardize on and its capability to provide a basic web browsing experience through the use of a wireless keyboard and mouse.  As developers they all wanted to know what the capabilities of the box and browser were so they could possibly work on solutions targeting those consumers.

We also got an earful from the owner/founder of Abacus Data Exchange.  She is quite proud of herself and her little business.  Which I just found to not be very impressive and not very well thought out.

The #1 issue I found actually seemed to be common shared ideal by most participants and with Abacus Data Exchange was they all just focused on what they could do just with LUS Fiber.   Granted this was “CampFiber” so I guess it makes sense.  But I just don’t know why anyone would create a business or application that was completely dependent on this one provider and 100Mbps peer to peer connectivity.

With Abacus the first issue I see as a network engineer is lack of peering relationships.  Heck they even have “exchange” in their name as to indicate they are an internet exchange point but the only connectivity they have is with LUS.  As a network engineer who has spent 15 years building, designing and working on networks for ISP’s and data centers one of the first things you do is ensure you have diverse paths.  Not just physical diversity but provider diversity as well.

I believe Lafayette is prime for a public data center right now.  But personally if I were designing it one of the first things I would do is ensure we had peering relationships with each of the main providers; LUS, Cox and AT&T.  This would be similiar to what NTG has done in Baton Rouge.

Why?  Well with true peering relationships with each of the main local providers you can tap into each of these consumer / user bases.   In some situations you could also possibly be able to avoid having to route traffic between say an LUS customer and Cox customer out over the internet and back.  This would be a great advantage for a data center especially if you offer colocation services for businesses looking to tap into one or more of these user bases.

I think Joey Durel and Terry Huval actually help make my arguement here when they both discussed how this network would be so far ahead of its time that the rest of the country might not catch up for 20+ years.  I find that hard to believe but if it were true then why would anyone want to develop anything that would only be useful to those on this network?   I simply wouldn’t want to limit myself in that way.  I read some LUS Fiber document that stated the pass rate as being roughly 57,000 and the take rate was estimated at 28,500.  Even if those numbers were on the low side I don’t know why one would want to design an application that solely catered to that market.  But thats just me.

Again I don’t blame anyone but myself here as I know I was not the target audience.  Despite all this being said I look forward to future events and what this might start.

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