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Sigh… I can’t talk about LUS Fiber anymore

It really sucks but I think I have to stop myself from caring and being curious about the LUS Fiber project out here in Lafayette.  Seems anytime I ask a question or make a comment about anything related to it certain people feel I am doing so in a negative way towards LUS.  I think many believe I am some how trying to defend my employer which hasn’t really been my intent.

It sucks because its only one or two people that do this but man they are vocal.  They are drunk on the LUS fiber koolaid and if you say anything that they may take to be a slight against LUS they will rant about it.

I have said it before I am NOT against fiber.  LUS maybe, not fond of government getting into private enterprise.  I am also NOT a cheerleader for my employer.  Is fiber technically better than a cable provider?  Yes technically it is, I would be lying to deny that.  Is fiber to homes needed?  Thats very questionable and up for debate.  It’s one of those debates though that no one can truly answer.  No one knows what technological advances will be made tomorrow or 10 years from now, so we dont know for certain.

These people can’t let me be a citizen of Lafayette who is interested in the technology or the business.  Nope I am simply an employee of a competitor and thats it.  They can’t look past that.

I look back now and I dont even know why I cared enough to ask questions or comment on things.  Like anything I said mattered or would make a difference to anyone.  And yet I did and I let a couple of people get to me.  They make things personal and I go and get concerned about what they have to say as if they got on the 6′oclock news and said bad things about me.  Stupid me.

The fact is very few people listen to or care about them and what they have to say either.  They think they are talking for a city when in fact they are talking for such a small percentage of people who actually care and keep up with this stuff.

No the LUS fiber system is not perfect, yes I can point out the flaws in either the network design or their marketing.  Yes they are feeding a lot of bull to people and over exaggerate things.  No cable providers are not perfect, have many more network flaws and marketing snafus and over exaggerate way more in my opinion.

So there they all have issues, they all think they are right and the other is wrong.  NONE of them can provide what they advertise all the time, yes they ALL oversubscribe their service its the nature of the business.

Yes I am still worried about how the failure of the project will impact us citizens.  Yes I think that these people are wrong about the way the harshly criticize incumbents about practices and principles which LUS is going to and is doing themselves.  Just because its fiber and the bandwidth is bigger does not exclude LUS from the same criticism if the principles or practices are the same.  Example of what I mean is oversubscription.  Don’t tell me its wrong of a competitor to oversubscribe, but immediately after defend another because they have a bigger pipe?

Its also funny how they criticize the competitors for not offering these higher speeds they claim they need and yet can’t identify one real application that is going to truly take advantage of it.  AND even better is they proceed to tell me that I know no one will ever really use up all that bandwidth they are offering.  If no one is “NEVER, EVER” going to be able to use it all then why have it even?

It’s really funny when you think about what most of these people are ultimately going to use their bandwidth for.  Youtube.  Yep, they need it to watch funny videos of laughing babies or crazy cats.  Maybe some porn, and surely some pirated movies and music.

Another pointless point to make is how I think its so funny that these PRO fiber folk rant about how the citizens passed this whole thing with an “overwhelming” majority.  Seriously?  74,000 registered voters and 12,500 votes for it is some how an overwhelming majority?

Like I said its pointless to make that comment now but if I am being honest it is something that has always bothered me.

And another issue I have is how when its convenient for LUS to say it we are the “owners” of the system.  But ask any question you would think an “owner” should be able to ask and nada.  It sounds good to say I will give them that but don’t actually try to take them up on it.

I guess if anyone reads this rant they are going to say I am surely being biased and siding with my employer.  No way that someone who doesn’t work for a competitor would say all of this stuff.  No amount of me saying that is really not it is going to change how others view this.

So… there I have laid most of my issues out there.  No one cares.  And after this I don’t care either.  I WILL NOT make one more comment or question regarding any of this again.  I am done.  I can’t keep getting frustrated with the fact that others are simply full of spite and hate and need someone or someplace to take it out on.  I can’t care how people feel about me or my employer because well if I did I would constantly be consumed with worrying about it.

To each his own they say right? You can’t please everyone?  There is always going to be someone with nothing else better to do then to berate others to make themselves feel good.  And there is always going to be those who complain just to complain.  Working in IT for almost 15 years now I know its rare to ever hear about the good things you do, you only hear from people when they have an issue or complaint.

The End… time to free myself and my mind and my worries from all of this.

LUS Fiber Pricing Announced

Well it looks like Huval and Durel tried to sneak some announcements in regarding the LUS fiber pricing at tonights council meeting.  I suppose this short notice was an attempt to keep the incumbents from being on hand.  I also believe the only reason they announced the pricing tonight was because of the recent questions and concerns by the citizens over recent articles where Huval was very vague and basically hiding info and not being up front to the citizens of this city.  They “Durel and Huval” took a lot of flak in the comments for these various articles by the citizens who feel that both Durel and Huval seem to forget they work for the citizens of this city and that they are public servants.  These guys run things like a business (which can sometimes be a good thing) but they are very secretive and keep things from the public too often.

Anyway, I got wind of that they were making this pricing announcement tonight and so I tuned in and documented everything I could.  I posted everything as quickly as I could to LFT411.com and Twitter to reach as many people as possible.  It was nice to scoop The Advertiser and provide more details then what they did on their website.  Simple pleasures I know.

Here are the basics:

VIP (Video, Internet and Phone) – This is what LUS is calling things.  Personally I do kinda like this better than the “Triple Play” or “Bundle” that everyone else calls it.

Basic VIP –  Total $84.85  (Does not include taxes and fees)
80 Channels – $39.95
10 Mbps (up/down) – $28.95
Phone $15.95 and .05 min LD (Basic Features)

VIP Silver – $137.21 (Does not include taxes and fees)
250 Channels – $63.31
30 Mbps (up/down) – $44.95
Phone w/ extra features – $28.95

VIP Gold – $199.99 (Does not include taxes and fees)
250 Channels and Includes HD and Premium Movie Channels (Suites) 45+ HD? – $98.09
50 Mbps (up/down) – $57.95
Phone with Unlimited LD – $43.95

 

They also announced some business fiber internet plans:

Business Internet Plans:

10 Mbps – $64.95

 50 Mbps – $119.95

 100Mbps – $199.95


They rushed through things pretty quickly, I did record it (video) and could provide that but its not very good quality and hard to read the power point presentation.

Many people commented else where that they were more interested in the “A La Carte” pricing for TV services.  Well what they don’t know is that LUS stated (Huval) at the CampFiber event that they will not be able to offer “A La Carte” the content providers make this impossible with how they negotiate contracts, same thing the incumbents have been saying for some time but no one believes them because they are just after money, at least now that LUS is saying this people will finally understand that most of the incumbents have their hands tied in what they can and cant do by the content providers

LUS FTTH – Possible Equipment and Service Info

I happen to be reading the latest “Independent” today and came across an article about the whole LUS fiber project.  LUS is still being very silent about the whole architecture and service offerings and what not.  I have to admit this is a bit upsetting to me as a geek and a citizen.  I hate when government hides stuff from the people and isn’t transparent about things.  Apparently they get to do this some how because of some stupid law that excludes them for some reason.

Anyway, the article sums it all up and is a decent read if you have any interest in this project at all.  I warn you though its going to leave you wanting more and so I started looking for more based on the little bit we know about the project.

First here is the link to the article - http://www.theind.com/content/view/3592/1/

Ok, so we know LUS is using an Alcatel-Lucent solution.  I have already posted a few things about that and what I suspect they will be using.  We also know they plan to have the “triple play” as every service provider wants to call it these days.  We also know that the box that will be in the subscribers home will have the ability to surf the internet on the TV, and that caller ID will be able to show up on the TV.

So, I started googling and checking out the Alcatel-Lucent site to see what I could find.  It’s important to note that this is purely done in my own interest to better understand what LUS has cookin.  I am fascinated with all things related to networking and particularly this project since its happening in my backyard and affects me as does everyone else in Lafayette.  Also, I do not know with any certainty any actual specifics other than what I have previously mentioned in this post.

Ok, first stop is this page about the Alcatel-Lucent Triple Play Service Delievery Architecture.  Good info but not what I am really looking for.

Well what are you looking for?  I think for me the most intriguing part of the whole LUS project has to be the set top box that they will be using?  This is to me is going to be the most significant part of the whole thing.  I know I know.. everyone else is talking about the bandwidth and especially the peer to peer aspect but really for me I am a bit underwhelmed with all that.  I know that I simply have no need for it.  I rarely download movies or music to be honest.  And there just isn’t an application “yet” that would push me to really need it.  I am quite content with what I have strangely enough.

Back to this set top box.  Why I think this box will be important is that its going to have an integrated web browser.  My understanding is that subscribers who simply sign up for TV service would still be able to surf the internet on this thing for free.  Sure it will be pretty limited in what it can do for an integrated appliance browser.  But this can be a huge deal in that it may introduce people to the internet who have never before had the opportunity or the need to justify paying for a computer and internet access.

This would go a long way towards bridging that digital divide and would be a significant advantage over the various competitors.

There are so many set top manufactures that one cannot really even begin to guess what has been selected.

I started out by googling “alcatel ftth set top web browser” and well I guickly realized that it does not appear that Alcatel currently makes a set top box.  There was some info though about a company “ANT Software Limited” that they seem to partner with on this vary topic.  Seems this ANT Software makes a browser for set top boxes that utilize the Alcatel-Lucent solution.

http://www.antlimited.com/ant_galio_browser.asp?menu=153

http://www.antlimited.com/pr_061005.asp

As I kept digging I also came across something that was simply interesting and new to me.  I was looking at various Motorola set top boxes for IPTV solutions and learned about this “Microsoft Mediaroom”  http://www.microsoftmediaroom.com  which until now I hadn’t heard about.

Apparently the Microsoft Mediaroom is what is driving the AT&T U-verse boxes.  It’s pretty cool to say the least but nothing in the demos show anything about a web browser which I found to be absurd for Microsoft.   They again they did miss the boat early on when it came to the internet so it figures they would miss it on this too.  I kid I kid

The ironic part about the Microsoft Mediaroom and it lacking a web browser it seems is when you read a whitepaper MS put out back in 2004 about IP Set Top boxes.  In that paper they even talk about “superior browsing capabilities” on a set top box back in 2004!  They never cease to surprise me.

So with all this I still am no where closer to knowing anything about the set top box in question.  Maybe I should go stake out the LUS headend and possibly do some dumpster diving!  They did mention in the article about boxes in dumpster, seems the Independent was almost asking someone to do this very thing.  If the dumpster is within a caged area might have to wait for the dump truck to come empty it and follow the dump truck. 

Who am I kidding, I am to old and tired to do that anymore.  :-)

LUS Fiber Alcatel-Lucent Fiber To The Home (FTTH) Solution?

Ever since the CampFiber meeting this past weekend in Lafayette, Louisiana where I heard from Major Joey Durel and Terry Huval the Director of Lafayette Utilities System (LUS) who reported that they had selected Alcatel-Lucent for the Fiber To The Home service I have been very interested in more technical details of the network.

Being the geek that I am with a thirst of knowledge for all things networking related I decided to try seeing what solutions by Alcatel-Lucent might be used for this.

I didn’t find much but I did come across the Alcatel-Lucent 7342 Intelligent Service Access Manager (ISAM)

What I found interesting about this solution is on pg. 3 where it states:

“Each PON line supports 2.5 Gb/s downstream and 1.2 Gb/s upstream. In addition to GPON performance, PON lines can be extended up to 20 km with 32 subscribers per PON, or up to 64 subscribers per PON for shorter distances.”

So, each PON supports between 32 to 64 subscribers.  Each PON also supports 2.5Gb/s downstream and 1.2 Gb/s upstream.  So, lets say we go the minimum 32 subscribers.  If you divide the 2.5Gb/s by the 32 subscribers you get 78 Mb/s per user on the downstream.  If you divide the 1.2Gb/s by the 32 subscribers you get roughly 38 Mb/s.

None of this is a problem when we are just talking about the 10Mb/s for the internet service.  But it does lead to some concerns about the 100 Mb/s peer to peer capabilities.  Of course it is understood that all ISP’s over subscribe their service so it’s not a big surprise.

The numbers do get pretty darn low however when you go to the full 64 subscribers each PON is capable of.  For example, the 2.5 Gb/s downstream divided by 64 subscribers gives you only about 40 Mb/s.   The 1.2 Gb/s upstream divided by the 64 subscribers gives you only about 19 Mb/s.

Again I will be the first to admit that none of this is really all that bad.  It’s well above the 10 Mb/s minimum internet service they will be offering.  And since the 100 Mb/s Peer to Peer is kind of a lagniappe service I doubt anyone will complain if they find themselves in a situation where they are unable to attain the full 100 Mb/s service.

To me the most interesting part of it all is the fact that the upstream and downstream aren’t equal within the underlying infrastructure.

And what I would really be curious about is whether the video and voice services also use up some of this bandwidth as well which would effectively lower the total rates I provided previously.  The numbers above assume that the 2.5 and 1.2 are dedicated to data only which I really don’t think is the case.

Of course I don’t even know if this is the solution they picked and I suck at math so I could be way off about everything.  :-)

Another good read about this from Alcatel-Lucent:

http://www1.alcatel-lucent.com/com/en/appcontent/opgss/23168_DeployFiber_wp_tcm228-1336491635.pdf

Net Neutrality, QoS and Over Subscription?

As someone who has spent 15 years, entire career now, as a network engineer for both enterprises and for ISP’s it’s difficult to have a single opinion on some things when it comes to networks.   

I really do see and understand both sides of most arguments around net neutrality. When I take off my network engineer hat and put on my consumer hat I wouldn’t be too happy with a lot of this stuff either.

However, when I sit back and think about things rationally its just not so black and white to me.

I know that often when analyzing network traffic the bulk of that traffic will be due to a few offenders.

This sort of thing reminds me of the days in grade school where you had a few bad students creating havoc and thus affecting the whole class in some way.  It always seemed unfair why the class would get punished for the actions of a few.

People want to do voice, video and data over the network these days but they don’t want the ISP’s to interfere with their traffic.  On private LANs and WANs we do the same thing (voice, video and data) but we also know that in order to do this successfully we have to employ quality of service (QoS).  Without QoS voice quality would be very unpredictable and video would be choppy.

The way QoS works is by looking at all the traffic coming in, orgainizing the traffic by various priorities and then allowing the highest priority traffic to leave first.  What often happens is the lowest priority traffic might get dropped.  This is typically ok because most traffic can tolerate being dropped as the sending device will get notified that some of its data was dropped and it needs to resend it.

Applications like voice and video however do not tolerate dropped traffic very well.  If you drop voice traffic the user will notice this change because they are actively listening.  People don’t notice dropped packets when surfing the internet because the retransmits of this dropped data happens so quickly and at worst it may just mean the website they were going to loads up a little slowly.

So you have these people out there who believe that ISP’s should simply provide a dumb pipe with no QoS or anything since that would interefere with or manipulate their traffic in some way.

The problem with dumb pipes is that ISP’s rely on the principle of ‘over subscription’ in order to make money.  You simply cannot be profitable as an ISP without oversubscribing.

Consider this, here are some of the largest pipes ISP’s can get to the internet.  

OC-48 = 2.5G = 2488Mbit/s  divide by 10Mbit/s = 248 users

OC-192 = 10G = 9953.28Mbit/s  divide by 10Mbit/s = 995 users

The reason I got on this whole topic was because of some things I heard at this weekends CampFiber meeting.  Those living in Lafayette, Louisiana know that the local utilities company (LUS) is building out a fiber to the home solution for the cities residents.  LUS has been in the fiber business for some time providing service to businesses.  According to the info on their website (http://www.lusnet.net/) they have two DS3′s to the internet.  DS3′s are roughly 45Mbit/s, so combined were looking at about 90Mbit/s of capacity to the internet.

Again I have to say I do not know how old this data is and I do not know if these same circuits to the internet will be leveraged by their new home user service.  This would be good info to know though and I would love for anyone who does know to inform me of the truth.

OK, so we have established LUS has 90Mbit/s of internet connectivity.  This is currently being used by their business customers and by the City of Lafayette as well.  And it could potentially be used by their home customers but that is not a fact yet.

LUS Fiber is advertising that their minimum internet package will be 10Mbit/s for home users.   It’s also important to note that based on this document that they estimate their subscriber count will be 28,500.  The document states a pass count of 57,000 potential customers and sub count of 28,500.  For those that don’t know what this means its pretty simple, pass count is who could potentially be a customer because the service passes close enough by them.  Sub count is the actual subscribers.

Lets give LUS the benefit of the doubt here.  Lets make the sub count lower than their expectations, so lets round down to 20,000.  Each customer gets a minimum of 10Mbit/s.  So if every user actually used the full 10Mbit/s we would be looking at 200,000Mbit/s.   And they have 90Mbit/s of internet bandwidth?  Thats a bit oversubscribed.

Now anyone in the business knows thats not going to happen.  You will never see all users fully utilizing their internet connection.  If 90Mbit/s is their total bandwidth and each user gets 10Mbit/s it would only take 9 users out of 20,000 fully utilizing the 10Mbit/s to max it out.  That is very possible however.

Now lets really give LUS the benefit of the doubt there.  Lets say they have an OC-192 connection to the internet.  So, thats roughly 10,000Mbit/s (its actually more like 9,000 but just making the match easy and giving them the benefit of the doubt here remember).   So we take 10,000Mbit/s and divide by 10Mbit/s and we get roughly 1000 users who could be running a full 10Mbit/s.  Thats not too bad there.  Thats like a 20:1 subscription ratio.  BTW, I SUCK AT MATH so please correct the basic math if I am wrong but realize I am generalizing here and not being exact.

So far I have only discussed home subscribers using the LUS internet connectivity despite the fact that businesses use it as well.  If business customers and home customers will share the same internet backbone that LUS has then my guess is that LUS will at a minimum seperate traffic into two priorities, one for business users and one for home users.  And it would make sense to give the business users higher priority then the home users so that home users can’t impact the business users internet connectivity.

If all of what I said is true (highly unlikely) then would this be deemed a non net neutral situation for the home subscribers?

I ask because Chance with LUS stated at CampFiber they had to be careful to not get into a net neutrality situation so they were just giving dumb pipes and thats it.  And if this is true, based on the numbers above which again were very generous it wouldn’t take much for a few subscribers to effect the internet performance of all subscribers without some means of QoS.

Which brings me back to the issue of whether network management by using any sort of QoS create a net neutrality issue?

Lets say you have a 1Mbit/s pipe to the internet.  You have two users who share this pipe but you sold them each 1Mbit/s.  For the sake of argument lets say that User A is doing streaming video that takes up the full 1Mbit/s pipe.  User B starts to do something else but only requires 500Kbit/s from the pipe.  Obviously something has to give here.  If you QoS things so that during peak times no one can get more than 500Kbit/s so that one person does not impact the other well then your not living up to what you sold them.  If you give video a higher priority then you aren’t being very neutral since you will impact what user B is doing effectively saying that user A’s traffic is more important then user B’s traffic.

How can one be “net neutral” in an over subscription business model?  You either can’t over subscribe, or hope that your aggregate traffic never exceeds your biggest pipe.

Looking for enlightenment here, would love to be shown the err in my thinking about this.

 

CampFiber – Takeaways

My last post regarding CampFiber reads awfully negative despite that not being my intent.  I did appreciate the event and I really do look forward to any future events that may come of this.

Kinda sad that it took someone from outside of Lafayette to organize the event, I sincerely appreciate Geoff Daily for doing this.

Here are a few key takeways for me from the event and things I look forward to in the future:

1.  Keith Thibodeaux from Lafayette Consolidated Government (LCG) mentioned an iPhone application that was in the works!  This was something I actually planned to mention as an idea at the meeting so it was nice to here.  Wish there were some details as to what all it would do.  I envisioned an application that would have quick access to news and events in Lafayette, traffic cameras, traffic accidents and so on.  I will elaborate more on my application idea in another post.

2.  Someone discussed the idea of a tech festival of sorts.  Something like South By Southwest (SXSW) combining both technology and the ‘creative class’.  I kinda like the idea in general.  This is Lafayette, Louisiana after all where festivals are in our blood.  I could envision something like TechSouth meets Festival International.  It would be best to do it in conjunction with Festival International in my opinion.

3.  No A-La-Carte.  It was funny to hear Terry Huval say how impractical A-La-Carte service is and no one made a peep.  When the cable co’s and others state this everyone gets in a tizzy, but when LUS states this oh well thats ok we all understand.

4.  Wireless is a part of LUS’s plan / strategy but due to its unpredictable nature they don’t want to push it much.  Understandable.  I am still very intrigued about the possibilities surrounding the 700Mhz spectrum and what Cox will do with it in the Acadiana market.  Mobility is more important to me than any fiber to my home and its this technology that excites me.  There was some recent news regarding successful testing of 10GB wireless in labs!  Long time away from being anything more than just fantasy, but exciting stuff.

CampFiber – Lafayette, Louisiana

I had the opportunity to attend an event today titled “CampFiber” here in Lafayette, Louisiana.  I am grateful for the event and those who presented, but over all I was a bit underwhelmed and disappointed.  However I must say I don’t think I was really the target audience.

The event was aimed primarily at developers in an effort to brainstorm ideas on how best to leverage the soon to be fiber to the home (FTTH) deployed in the city of Lafayette, Louisiana by the local utility company, LUS Fiber.

Granted I am a network engineer and life long geek so anything to do with technology and networks I am interested in and thus why I attended.

One of the first things discussed was the set top box that LUS has picked to standardize on and its capability to provide a basic web browsing experience through the use of a wireless keyboard and mouse.  As developers they all wanted to know what the capabilities of the box and browser were so they could possibly work on solutions targeting those consumers.

We also got an earful from the owner/founder of Abacus Data Exchange.  She is quite proud of herself and her little business.  Which I just found to not be very impressive and not very well thought out.

The #1 issue I found actually seemed to be common shared ideal by most participants and with Abacus Data Exchange was they all just focused on what they could do just with LUS Fiber.   Granted this was “CampFiber” so I guess it makes sense.  But I just don’t know why anyone would create a business or application that was completely dependent on this one provider and 100Mbps peer to peer connectivity.

With Abacus the first issue I see as a network engineer is lack of peering relationships.  Heck they even have “exchange” in their name as to indicate they are an internet exchange point but the only connectivity they have is with LUS.  As a network engineer who has spent 15 years building, designing and working on networks for ISP’s and data centers one of the first things you do is ensure you have diverse paths.  Not just physical diversity but provider diversity as well.

I believe Lafayette is prime for a public data center right now.  But personally if I were designing it one of the first things I would do is ensure we had peering relationships with each of the main providers; LUS, Cox and AT&T.  This would be similiar to what NTG has done in Baton Rouge.

Why?  Well with true peering relationships with each of the main local providers you can tap into each of these consumer / user bases.   In some situations you could also possibly be able to avoid having to route traffic between say an LUS customer and Cox customer out over the internet and back.  This would be a great advantage for a data center especially if you offer colocation services for businesses looking to tap into one or more of these user bases.

I think Joey Durel and Terry Huval actually help make my arguement here when they both discussed how this network would be so far ahead of its time that the rest of the country might not catch up for 20+ years.  I find that hard to believe but if it were true then why would anyone want to develop anything that would only be useful to those on this network?   I simply wouldn’t want to limit myself in that way.  I read some LUS Fiber document that stated the pass rate as being roughly 57,000 and the take rate was estimated at 28,500.  Even if those numbers were on the low side I don’t know why one would want to design an application that solely catered to that market.  But thats just me.

Again I don’t blame anyone but myself here as I know I was not the target audience.  Despite all this being said I look forward to future events and what this might start.